Jobbik, whose list you head in the EP elections, has two faces. On the one hand there are the military-style marches with flags and uniforms, and on the other hand there is a very detailed, well-founded election programme, large parts of which any left-wing anti-globalisation organisation would be happy to endorse. Which of the two is the real face of the party?
Why should the two aspects be in conflict with each other? Our programme has two mottos. One is: “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians”. That demonstrates strong national identity, and makes it clear that we no longer want to serve international high finance in such a way that Hungary becomes a colony, the people sink into poverty and become slaves in their our country. The other motto is “a way of thinking based on people and community instead of money and profit”. The question should not be what is good in terms of maximising profits, but of what is good for people. This includes, for example, representing the interests of employees, aiding companies and consumer protection - those are all question which affect the dignity and the meaning of human lives. Other political forces think in terms of profit. That is the real dividing line today, rather than the question of whether somebody is rightwing or leftwing. In my view it follows directly from this focus on people that we should turn from global to local, and defend local interests, the local economy and the rights of local people.
Can the motto “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians” be conveyed on a European level?
Yes, I think very well. The French, the English and the Germans also feel this more and more strongly. We can see that there are increasing protests against local economies being put at risk. The system of economic world domination with its logic based on financial manipulation is in crisis compared to honest work which creates value. In the wake of the crisis economic representatives and the population are increasingly saying that economic activities must develop locally. They are demanding that citizens be the focus of decisions, rather than selling a whole country to international high finance. In this respect Hungary’s situation is unparalleled. Here virtually the whole profit made is exported. The political and economic elite have placed the whole country in foreign hands. We have, therefore, a particular justification for emphasising that “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians”. We want to get back our national assets, which has been sold abroad and privatised, and want to prevent further national assets from getting into private and/or foreign hands. The same also applies to farmland. We want to protect our markets, so that an independent Hungarian economy can develop and we will no longer be fully dependent on the good will of global high finance.
That sounds partly very similar to the ideas of the Communist Workers’ Party or the Lehet Más a Politika (Politics can be different) party for example. Would you be willing to work together in Brussels with forces which otherwise support an entirely different system of values?
That depends on the specific case. For us the most important thing is to stand up for Hungarian interests, finally to thump the table and say that Hungary belongs to the Hungarians. We want to represent the interests of Hungarian employees, Hungarian traders and Hungarian farmers, rather than tying to ingratiate ourselves with foreign interests and foreign great powers. If we find allies in that, regardless of whether they are Hungarian or foreign, we are very wiling to work together with them.
Which faction do you intend to join in the European Parliament?
Definitely one of the eurosceptic factions which will only form in the light of the election results. We are critical of the corrupt and far-too-bureaucratic European Union, which is driven by lobby groups and is anti-democratic and not transparent. In this respect we wish to achieve fundamental changes towards a Europe of nations.
How will you work together with the Greater Romania Party? The party is decidedly against protecting the interests of Hungary and the Hungarians, and may be in the same faction.
That is nothing new for us - our own state is also against protecting the interests of the Hungarians, But joking aside, I haven’t dealt with that question yet. My main aim until 7 June is for the key points of the Jobbik programme to reach all Hungarian citizens, so that we can really get through to the people and are not constantly exposed to hostility or ignored. Next we have to be elected, and then we can start thinking about cooperation with other parties.
Jobbik likes to talk about the “Gypsy question”. What solutions do you propose in a European framework?
It has to be made a European issue because it does not only affect Hungary. In order that the problem be approached properly and solved, financial and professional resources need to be tapped and knowledge and experience need to be exchanged. The topic can no longer be swept under the carpet and treated as “delicate”. For all those concerned this is connected to human dignity and human rights. The cooperation of different countries is conceivable in this. It is particularly important that the decision-making powers are taken away from the corrupt leaders who do not represent the people within the Gypsy community. In addition we are demanding work opportunities for Gypsies. In the Jobbik programme the establishment of social workshops is proposed. The current social benefits should be replaced by measures supporting work which serves the common good. It is unfair that the living costs of people capable of working are financed by others. We also see better education as a way out of the situation. That includes Roma children actually attending school and becoming acquainted with ways of living which enable them to break out of the inherited patterns.
Many readers of our newspaper view Jobbik with great concern. What would you say to these people?
Well, we also regard with people with some concern because they have bought up quite a lot of our country. But I think it is important to look at Jobbik’s real programme and not the various labels. The so-called “little people” from Austria or Germany, who like the “little people” from Hungary also live from honest work or a small company, have the same interests: to be able to live in their native country with their heads held high and not to be at the mercy of a small global elite.
Let’s look ahead to next year. If Jobbik gets into Parliament or even becomes a power factor, do foreigners living here need to fear reprisals?
I am not a member of Jobbik and am only standing in the EP elections. I cannot speak for the party. However, I don’t think that people need to fear Jobbik. It is true that we wish to get back strategic assets such as the energy sector or water, without which Hungary cannot survive, in a decent way, but nobody needs to be afraid because of that.
(Budapest Times)








